The session in which Cindy interviews Julie about dealing with shame and how frequently shame comes up in clinical practice. As we set out together on our journey into podcasting, we decided to interview each other before inviting guests. We are also getting to know each other as we begin learning the A-Z’s of podcasting.  A = And microphone makes 3 (or more?!). Click to listen, and please leave a comment here. You can also email us at shrinksonthird@gmail.com